From ML, who knows his Cuban dictatorial goons
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Shouldn’t the saying be “useless idiots”? What’s a “useful idiot”?
The term “useful idiots” was coined by the communists to describe the deluded people who furthered the communist cause without realizing they were being used. Dollar Bill is an excellent example of a modern one, but the term itself dates back at least to the early 1900’s, I believe.
I share your disgust for people who hold up Che as some kind of icon worthy of emulation and respect — but at what point can you celebrate someone’s ideals (and I don’t celebrate Che’s) despite their having committed awful acts? E.g., Andrew Jackson clearly inflicted more human misery during his time on Earth than Guevara did, but he’s a national hero. Does that bother you too?
Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court and forced the Cherokee onto the Trail of Tears – so no, he’s no hero of mine. But what on earth does that have to do with Che Guevara’s “ideals” which were as despicable and hateful as Hitler’s or Stalin’s or Castro’s? Hang ’em high, all of them.
Just doesn’t seem historically accurate to conflate Guevara and Castro with Hitler and Stalin. Guevara and Castro are tyrants, but relatively petty tyrants when compared to two men who masterminded the deaths of tens of millions of people. Jackson may no hero of yours but he’s certainly considered a national here, and there’s simply no question that he was responsible for what we today would call acts of genocide. Just something to think about. What it has to do with Guevara’s ideas (fine, let’s not call them ideals) is that it shows it is possible, apparently, to revere someone for ideas (e.g., Jackson’s democratic populism) even while they are responsible for gross crimes.
The question asked was whether it was possible to appreciate a man’s ideals (or ideas) apart from a man’s deeds – I say that Che’s “idea”: communism, exploitation of the many for the few, the supreme power of the state over individuals, the concept that another man’s undefined needs create a moral claim on another man’s labor, and the sacrifice of individual identity to a state apparatus are so evil that no, one can’t separate such horrible ideals from the man. Castro and his ilk were constrained in the damage they did only because of the tiny scale of the island they infest – their ideals are identical to those of the great mass murderers of history, including Stalin, Mao and Hitler, none of whom are worthy, in any way, of “appreciation”.
For the record, it was Jackson’s defiance of our Supreme Court and thus his attempt to uno our constitution that made him such a dangerous man, unworthy of our appreciation. Even Nxon, by submitting to the court and turning over the tapes that he knew would destroy his presidency, was better than that. And when you’re worse than Nixon …
41% of Americans don’t even know who Joe Biden is, so I’d like to know by what accounts a failed president who has been dead for over a century-and-a-half is considered a “national hero”.
Along that vein:
– 8-10% of Americans believe Elvis is still alive
– 37% of Americans can’t identify the US on a map
– 52% of Americans believe the US Government can decrease the temperature of the earth through taxation.
Broad-sweeping “Tu Quoque” arguments generally don’t hold water.
For the record, it was Jackson’s defiance of our Supreme Court and thus his attempt to uno our constitution that made him such a dangerous man, unworthy of our appreciation.
Well, yes, and also the genocide.
To heck with some private school boys, I want one.
And your dislike of revolutionaries is unfounded, me thinks. After all, our country was founded by revolutionaries. Ben Franklin, the greatest President ever, was a bold faced revolutionary who got more trim than a barber. You can look it up. The man was a poon tang magnet.
Revolutionaries change the world. The great gook revolutionist, Mi So Horni, changed Thailand, and invented the modern day rub and tug. His cousin, Starch No Starch created the laundry industry.
Even Castro. He invented the convertible. So there would have been no submarine races without him.
So don’t dump on the revolutionists. They did some good things.
re walt at 10:04 p.m. must be a writer for south park during the day. enormously entertaining. thank you.
I definitely need to read up on my Andrew Jackson history but from what you have said, it sounds very similar to the current accupant of the White House. ” A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is under attack whether you want to admit it or not. When we finally get the details of Fast and Furious, you will see. Not enough press on this issue.
President Andrew Jackson is a national hero because he was played by Charlton Heston, who played nothing less than larger than life heros:
He’s also famous because Johnny Horton sang a song about the whole thing:
I saw the movie in the Pickwick theater at the matinee price of twenty-five cents in 1958, and I also owned a copy of the Johnny Horton 45 speed single, remember you put those little yellow plastic things in the center of the record.
He also killed the Fed, and because of that was the target of more than one attempted assassination, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkxttD-j0Q
which is probably why you’ll find his likeness on the twenty dollar federal reserve note — just to make him roll over in his grave.
The last President to try that was JFK who was set up for assassination by his own Praetorean Guard (Secret Service):
President Jackson was a Democrat — the first, I believe.
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